elisi: Edwin and Charles (Mock!Biley by crackers4jenn)
elisi ([personal profile] elisi) wrote2007-01-29 01:23 pm

Buffy/Riley... why it didn't work.

Watched 'Into The Woods' yesterday and had something of an epiphany...

First of all, I have to say that Riley's feelings of being unneeded are set up very nicely, but - it comes back to the old saying:

You shouldn't be in a realtionship if you want to be made happy, but to make happy.

I'm not saying that Riley should have continued with an unsatisfying relationship, but he left because she didn't make him feel a certain way:

RILEY: You say that, but I don't feel it. I just don't feel it.

Anyway, this brings me to my main point. It was these lines that suddenly stood out:

BUFFY: Oh, I'm sorry. You know, um, I'm sorry that I couldn't take care of you when I thought that my mother was dying.
RILEY: It's about me taking care of you! It's about letting me in. So you don't have to be on top of everything all the time.
BUFFY: But I do. That's part of what being a slayer is. And that's what this is really about, isn't it? You can't handle the fact that I'm stronger than you.
RILEY: It's hard sometimes, yeah. But that's not it.


Riley misunderstands her there. She is NOT talking about physical strength. She is talking about the strength to walk to her own death when 16 years old. The strength to kill the love of her life. The strength to carry to weight of the world on her shoulders and not let up, because no one else can carry her burden:

First!Buffy: Look hard. What do you see?
Caleb: Strength. And the loneliness that comes with real strength.

'Dirty Girls'

A strength (and inherent weakness) that Spike of course understands:

And the thing about the dance is, you never get to stop. Every day you wake up, it's the same bloody question that haunts you: is today the day I die?
'Fool For Love'

Buffy tried to warn Riley, way back in 'Doomed' - and his response was that people could get through these things if they looked after each other. But that's never going to work with Buffy... not really. Because she's a Slayer:

Spike: I know slayers. No matter how many people they've got around them, they fight alone. Life of the chosen one. The rest of us be damned.
LMPTM

This is Riley's tragedy - Buffy would never, ever need him the way he wanted her to.

And we saw that even when unsouled Spike in some ways understood Buffy better than Riley. And when souled could give her what Riley never could - support without asking for anything in return:

Spike: I'm not asking you for anything. When I say, "I love you," it's not because I want you or because I can't have you. It has nothing to do with me.

Mostly, I think the whole thing is summed up best in this icon by [livejournal.com profile] _jems_, which was what spurred on my initial thought:



(ETA: This is the short version. If you want *long* B/R meta, I got that too! *g*)

Hi! In here from the Sunnydale Herald...

[identity profile] rachelmap.livejournal.com 2007-01-30 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
And therfore we can only assume that Sam must convince him that her world revolves are his wants and needs. Which makes our view of the marriage in AYW a lot more flawed than it appears.

Either that, or Sam broke him of that bad habit. I think it's possible because while Buffy tended to bottle up her negative feelings until she exploded (or the problem went away--and how often does that happen in the Jossverse?), Sam seemed the type to get those feelings off her chest right away. How many times did she bawl him out? The way I see it, Riley needed someone who would give him propmt feedback on his wrong behavior; someone who'd smack him upside his head and say: "Hey, Stupid! Stop being stupid!"

(Not that I think that there's anything wrong with Buffy being a 'stewer' rather than an 'exploder'; both types have their strengths and weaknesses. It's just that sometimes one's a better 'fit' than the other.)

[identity profile] suspiria-1.livejournal.com 2007-01-30 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
When I think of Spike in season 7, obsessive is not at all the word that comes to mind. IMO, they had more of a push-pull pattern going in the last two seasons, with Buffy doing most of the pulling in S7. She's got her own obsessive streak too.

[identity profile] suspiria-1.livejournal.com 2007-02-12 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Post-Soul, Spike still being known as the guy who never leaves doesn't sit well with me. Twice he begs Buffy to kill him, offers to leave town in First Date, and finally there's the not contacting Buffy controversy. Shades of both Angel and Riley. But paraphrasing Joss, Buffy digs Spike more when he tries ties to withdraw, which at least to me explains S7 Spuffy. Heh, yeah, My Spuffy can't help being messed up. They so want to be better though and that's what makes them rootable in a 'I wish those two crazy kids had been able to make it work' way. YMMV. :)

I know I'm replying extra extra late, so you probably don't care lol.